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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by magelius » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:41 am

What is the Crimp Pins type (manufacturer and part number) that fits into EMU Black connectors?

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:31 pm

Use internal pullup from black. Just connect HALL output to BLACK and enable pullup for given input.

Actually the speed is read from OEM ABS via CAN. It is used by differential controller. We are working on traction control strategy based on wheel speed.

In future we will also offer small box that converts signal from 4 wheel speed to CAN

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:31 pm

magelius wrote:What is the Crimp Pins type (manufacturer and part number) that fits into EMU Black connectors?
Terminals are sicma 1.5 (small) and sicma 1.8 (big)

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by RasPL » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:56 pm

For which ABS system ? I'm running ASR fwd mk60 and wheels speed information are in id 0x2a0. All old VAG abs/asr/esp are using the same ids 1A0, 2A0, 5A0, and some have also xA8.

If i will build pwm to steper motor controler can i use this function with haldex1 ?
For me better is too have all in ECU than in separate modules ;)

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:10 pm

It is possible to add support of ABS at ID 0x2a0
From VAG group we allready support AUDI 0x4a0 message.

You need convert PWM DC to proper motor position if you want to use Haldex 1 gen

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by RasPL » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:08 am

Sorry, my mistake. For VAG wheels speed data is at 4A0 ;) You are also emulating stock ECU with black that the abs controll module dont shows "no communication" DTC ? I've maded such ECU emulator in the past.

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:20 pm

In Audi RS4 everything works OK :)

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by magelius » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:07 pm

With active coils setup. Is the EMU signal postive +5V or +12V signal?

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by gregpe » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:55 pm

i believe 5V

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:53 pm

it is about 8V

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by samvel » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:37 pm

Jadzwin wrote:
magelius wrote:What is the Crimp Pins type (manufacturer and part number) that fits into EMU Black connectors?
Terminals are sicma 1.5 (small) and sicma 1.8 (big)
Probably you meant 2.8 for big?
Here is producer pdf, pg21: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/105/FCI17210436-482627.pdf
So if i got it right, smaller one is sicma 1.5 (0.35-0.75mm2 wire): 211CC2S1160
Bigger should be sicma 2.8 (1-2mm2 wire): 211CC3S2160
Is this correct?

My question is how do you guys crimp shielded Raychem AWG26 to these smaller pins?
I always have to crimp + solder them and i dont see it perfect. Also for bigger terminal when using 0.75mm2 wire or smaller it`s quite same situation, but i see there are 2 smaller sicma 2.8 terminals available to fix this problem.
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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by WHPZach » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:33 pm

samvel wrote:
Jadzwin wrote:
magelius wrote:What is the Crimp Pins type (manufacturer and part number) that fits into EMU Black connectors?
Terminals are sicma 1.5 (small) and sicma 1.8 (big)
Probably you meant 2.8 for big?
Here is producer pdf, pg21: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/105/FCI17210436-482627.pdf
So if i got it right, smaller one is sicma 1.5 (0.35-0.75mm2 wire): 211CC2S1160
Bigger should be sicma 2.8 (1-2mm2 wire): 211CC3S2160
Is this correct?

My question is how do you guys crimp shielded Raychem AWG26 to these smaller pins?
I always have to crimp + solder them and i dont see it perfect. Also for bigger terminal when using 0.75mm2 wire or smaller it`s quite same situation, but i see there are 2 smaller sicma 2.8 terminals available to fix this problem.
The smallest gauge shielded wire I'll use in an automotive application is 22 gauge. 26 gauge has very little mechanical strength, and while it's more than adequate for transmitting signals, there's a high likelihood that it will be damaged due to strain or someone pulling on the wire when removing a connector.

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by samvel » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:46 pm

Maybe you right and i have to look for beefier wires for average projects. Wiring pros who making milspec wiring tend to use those thinner AWG24-26 wires for weight and size.
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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:52 pm

Mil spec wires have much better strenght than automotive one. AWG-26 is common for sensors, however we use AWG-24 as a smaller size.

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Teriksson » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:02 pm

Hí. :D

What functions do b27 b28 g17 and g24 have?
Where should I connect them? All to one chassi ground?

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Jadzwin » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:36 pm

Power grounds are used for powering output transistors and could be connected to chassis.

However good practice is to make all ground wiring from on grounding point (eg. engine block) using separate wires with appropriate wire size (for ECU grand 0.75mm2 is ok, for power grounds from 1.0mm2 to 2.5mm2 depends on device load).
Sensor grounds are "outputs" so you can use them to ground your sensors. It common ground point with ADC converters and trigger input circuits

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by blitz » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:16 am

Hi,
i see you add 2jz cam#2 support for faster synch V2.035, it will also affect/lower cranking time?

Also do you mind sharing some info about best settings...pullup needed? Input filter common setup (set at "low" as the others) and trigger edge (found falling work well for primary/secondary trigger)


Thanks for your work! Keep up!

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Adriano

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by Karel » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:36 am

I would suggess.
Crank = primary trigger
CAM1 = secondary trigger
CAM2 = CAM#2

both cam sensors are on the intake CAM, one will be moving with VVT-i , not sure about the second (but i think it will move too)

all sensors are magnetic if i remember, so no pull-up.

Filter ? Deppends on wirring. I found the stock harness very noisy. So i am not using stock trigger cables, and have no issues until then.

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by WHPZach » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:21 pm

Karel wrote:I would suggess.
Crank = primary trigger
CAM1 = secondary trigger
CAM2 = CAM#2

both cam sensors are on the intake CAM, one will be moving with VVT-i , not sure about the second (but i think it will move too)

all sensors are magnetic if i remember, so no pull-up.

Filter ? Deppends on wirring. I found the stock harness very noisy. So i am not using stock trigger cables, and have no issues until then.
VVTi engines only have one cam sensor with 3 teeth, and a 36-2 crank trigger wheel. Only the non-vvti engines have two cam sensors.

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Re: EMU BLACK information

Post by blitz » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:18 pm

Thanks for info, i'll give it a a try when i'll redo my wiring

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